gft20110620-01-05

Date:  2011-07-21	File:  gft20110620-01-05
Keywords:	Chesterfield, junior high years, high school years, 1940s.
People:	Glen Tarbet (GT), Scott Tarbet (ST), Julie Tarbet (JT), Ann Tarbet (AT)
	[begin gft20110620-01]  [from within automobile]
GT	Boy, this country is really different than from when I used to live here.
ST	Yeah.  Well, at least the old drive-in is still here, huh?  Even though it has four or five screens now.
JT	Oh.  Well, I guess that’s efficient.
ST	Jewels—how come you—oh.  Geeze. Six screens.
GT	That was one of the first drive-ins in the state.
ST	One of the last, too.
JT	I don’t know.  I guess my husband never took me—if that was your question.
GT	Yeah.  It must be the last.
ST	It was my question, actually.
JT	I thought it was.
GT	What was the question.
ST	My question was, how come she and I have never been to the drive-in movie together.
AT	Have you seen that?  That is a cute show.  I little bit sad but cute.
GT	When I was a kid, there was nothing on this corner but Paris Brothers, Himeys was on the other side of the road.
ST	What was Himeys?
GT	It was a feed store.
ST	And how, it’s the heart of suburbia.  I remember when going off to Grandma’s house meant going out to the country, when she lived in Chesterfield.
GT	Paris Brothers put their store up during World War II, right there on this corner.
AT	Well, it still is right there on this corner back here.
GT	It was a grocery store then.
ST	Oh. Paris started out as a grocery store?
AT	And Chris and Dick’s also belonged to that same family.
GT	Yeah, and we used to get bacon ends there without our ration stamps.
JT	Hmmmm.
ST	You law-breaking scofflaw rebels, you.  [reference:  a contemptuous lawbreaker; especially : one who ignores parking tickets]
GT	It was legal.  The bacon ends were legal.  It was mostly fat.
ST	Ah.
GT	Almost all fat.
ST	So where along here does Chesterfield actually start.?
GT	That’s a good question.   Probably 2800 South is . . . I don’t know.  It never did have, as far as I know, anybody that specified exactly what the boundaries of the place were.
ST	Well, Redwood Recreation Center has been in the last 15-20 years, hasn’t it?
GT	I think it has been a little longer than that.
ST	They have the cheapest racquet ball courts in town.
GT	Really.
ST	The most accessible too.
GT	I think this is where Chesterfield starts right here—
ST	Right at the power lines.
GT	Where those houses are.
AT	Now, honey, watch on  your right side.
GT	Right here.  What street is that?
ST	Missed it.
GT	I can’t remember the names of the streets.
AT	2875 is on that street right there—I mean on that building.  ‘Scuse.
GT	They have names—
ST	Russet Way, I think it was.  And, then there’s Research Way coming up.
GT	Clayborn.  This is where the tracks used to be.  Now they’re there again.  [laughs]  That’s funny.  They tore them up, and now they’ve put them back.
AT	Was that the Orem that came there?
GT	Yeah.
ST	Was it TRAX that comes there now?
JT	Yeah.  There’s a TRAX.  We just went over it.
ST	Just passing 27[00 South]
GT	That’s where Martha went to school, right there.
ST	Redwood Elementary?
GT	Hmm-mmm.
ST	2590 Crystal Avenue
AT	They really built a bunch of new houses in here, just since I worked out here by the Mountain States Analytical.
ST	Stratford Avenue.
GT	Let’s see.  This is where—there’s Redwood Ward.
JT	Oh, coming up on the left.
ST	Oh, sure enough.
JT	Shall we take some pics?
ST	I was blessed in that building.
AT	What did they bless you for?  [laughter]
ST	It doesn’t matter, because it didn’t take. . .  Oh, now it’s the First Apostolic Church.  [1680 West Stratford Avenue, West Valley City, UT]
AT	That’s sad.
GT	This uh —
JT	Shall we take it from the—
GT	The original Redwood Ward was just this much of it, right here.  Just the—
AT	He has to put it in park.  Put it in park, honey, and then she can jump out.
ST	The pictures of the day of my blessing with Grandpa Cornia are under the porte cochere right there—or in front of the porte cochere, I guess.
JT	Let’s take a picture of both its—
GT	Do you want that door open?
JT	Sure.
GT	Shall we pull over and get out and take a picture?
AT	Well, yeah.  But she’s going to get out right in traffic so she can get hit.  [laughter]
GT	There’s so much traffic it’s terrible.
AT	Who lives in this house over here?  Who lived in that house?  Do you remember?
GT	That house wasn’t there.
AT	Beware of Dog.  Look at that dog.  Honey, you’re parked right in the middle of the road.
GT	The front door of the church was right here.  It’s all covered up now.
ST	They’ve got a new metal roof on it and everything now.
GT	Oh, yeah.
JT	(from outside the car) Scott, do you want one of the far end?
ST	Yeah.  At least of the porch thingy—the porte cochere there.  . . .
GT	. . . This was Strong’s place here.  The brick house.
AT	The brick house, huh?
GT	It wasn’t that big then, in those days.  They bought a barracks from the —
ST	Jewels, take one straight on. —take one straight on at the doors, would ya?  That was the way it was when I was a kid—when we’d come out here and go to church with Grandma, it was in this part of the church over here. . . .   I had no idea that building would even still be standing.
AT	Was it always that color?
GT	It was that color, but it wasn’t that well finished.  It was clapboard.  They have covered up the clapboard with stucco.
AT	If I had a little broom, I would have brushed that out, honey.  I’m sorry.
JT	I’m not worried at all.  I’ve got shoes on.
AT	Oooh, and I love your hair.
JT	Oh, I’ve been trying it.  We went and ran errands with it wet, which I don’t like to do, but . . . So, I thought I’d pin it up for a few minutes . . .
GT	None of these houses were here then—when I was a kid.
ST	The ones just to the east of the chapel?
GT	There was—somebody lived here.  I can’t remember who—late in my residency.
AT	I love those willows.  I think they’re pretty.
ST	We’ve got one up here . . . Oh.  I see what your plan is [talking to Julie].
AT	Oh!  Look at this home.   They’ve built onto that a hundred times.
GT	Which home?
AT	That little rock one. . .  .
GT	Now, let’s see.  What’s the name of that street?
ST	I’m not seeing a sign.
GT	Wow.  There used to be a ditch here that was about six feet up higher than the road.
ST	A big tall canal, huh? . . . Okay.  So we’re headed north on [Lester Street].  We’re about to cross Warnock Avenue.  We are on . . .  Lester Street.  . . .
GT	I think this is where the Middletons lived—all these houses have been remodeled.  No.  This is where the Middlestons lived, here.
ST	2519?
GT	. . . Smiths lived here.
AT	Was it always that nice, when the Smiths lived there?
GT	Naw, heheheh.  Nope. . . . And more Smiths lived here.  And the Tarbets—once the Smiths vacated for a few months, and—I can’t remember where they went to—Nevada or someplace, I think—and invited us to move in there.
ST	That’s on the corner of 1560 West and 2495 South Whitlock Avenue.
GT	Whitlock Avenue was the street I walked up and down many times.
ST	So, the Smiths’ House where you lived was 1585 Whitlock.
GT	Yes.
ST	Was it Smiths’ where we used to come get water when I was a kid?  Was it from there well over here?
GT	No.  They had water in the house, and this is the canal that I used to go swimming in with my duck, only it was always on the north side of the street.
AT	This looks like a better place to swim, honey.
GT	I don’t know why we never swam on that side.  [chuckles]
ST	Well, it’s  nice and full now, isn’t it?
GT	It just wasn’t deep enough, or something.  . . . My girlfriend lived over here on the left, and one of my best buddies, Benny Gambol was her big brother.  His sister was Darlene Gambol, and their—I can’t remember their father’s name.
ST	The house at 1580 West.
GT	But, they had horses and Benny Gambol was the treasurer for my Scout patrol, and when we went to get the money, his dad had spent it all.
ST	Oh, no!
GT	We picked cherries and put it in our treasury.  . . . This is where blind Mary Bridge lived.
ST	“Parking for Democrats only.  Republicans will be towed.”  [laughter]  D.C. Smith
AT	There was a sign in Canada that my grandson stood by and it says, “Trespassers will be shot.  Survivors will be shot again.”
GT	It’s a very professional sign.  It looks like it was put up by the government.
ST	Oh geeze.  Look at the standing there.  The water table is so high.
GT	Where do you see that?
ST	In the pasture right there.
GT	There used to be a drain ditch right there.
ST	There’s a guy behind us, Dad.
GT	This house right in front of us was Godfreys’ place, where we lived—
ST	It’s on the corner of Whitlock and—what’s the name of this street?
GT	Chatham Street.
ST	Chatham Street.
GT	2495 South Chatham.
ST	Let me take a picture of 2495 South Chatham real quick.
AT	Honey, you’ve got to get out of the middle of the road.  Other people aren’t feeling the same nostalgia you’re feeling.
ST	I am.  [laughter]
AT	I know . . . [laughter]
ST	Okay.  This is 2495 South Chatham, just to give a little context here.
AT	There’s a missing cat.
ST	I better get a picture of that too.
AT	I wonder how long it’s been missing.
GT	It says it’s the Khadeeja mosque.
ST	That’s around the corner—right down by the river.
GT	Oh.  I see.. . .  And this was the Baileys’ house.  That’s where we used to get water all the time.
ST	Well, we’d come up at it from behind, right?
GT	From behind.  Right.
ST	Pull up just a little more, if you would, so I don’t have that tree right.
AT	Whoa!
ST	Whoa, whoa.  . . .
JT	Adobe?
AT	Uh, yeah.  I think it’s adobe.
ST	It’s not adobe.  It’s stucco.
AT	Oh.  Is it stucco?  Okay.
ST	Stucco on clapboard.
JT	Do you think it was originally adobe or no?
ST	No.  Most of them were lumber, and some of them were made out of railroad timbers.
GT	They didn’t have water in the house.  They just had a well coming up in the backyard that we got the water out of.  And, right here on this corner—it isn’t there anymore—was the Andersons house—no, Adamsons’ house—not Anderson, Adamson.  It burned down, and I wrote a little article about that at BYU, that got in the BYU Journal.  It was a story.  It wasn’t an article.  I wrote a story about it—the burning of that house down.
AT	“Parkway Avenue”
ST	At the corner of Parkway Avenue (which is 2455 South) and Chatham Street, which is 1490 West.
GT	Now, all of these houses are new since I lived here.  Over on the left is, I remember, Johnny the guitar player.  We played for dances.  He played the guitar and Mom played the piano, and I played the bass fiddle at the ward, several times.  . . . That’s a new house that wasn’t there when I lived here.
ST	I remember walking—cutting through here from Grandma’s house, which is my memory is right back in there, right?
GT	Yeah.  That’s right.
ST	And walking out this way to the road.
AT	Is this where your house was?
ST	No.  It’s over there.
GT	The Briggs’ house was right in here.  It’s not there anymore.  But, we got water from their well for a long time too.
AT	And, where’s the piece of property that says is still in your mom’s name.
GT	I’ll show you in just a moment.
ST	Oh.  There’s something that’s still in Grandma’s name?
GT	I don’t think it is anymore, in her name.  But, we’re coming to Derby Street now.  All of these houses were built—have been built since we lived here.
ST	Okay.  Now, we’re turning on to Derby Street, which is 1410 West.
GT	The Vales’ house was this, right where that one is on the left.  I don’t know which—I think this one—this little one there has been built since the Vales lived in the other one.  But, their first house was just behind there and it burned down.  See.  Our property is still vacant.
ST	Oh.  It’s this piece of—
GT	This piece of property here was ours.
AT	It makes me wonder if it is still in her name.
JT	It’s cleared, though.  [editor:  Google maps shows this address as 2495 South Derby, and also shows a strange division of the plot, which would be consistent with the deed transfer to Martha’s mother. . . address verified in later conversation]
AT	Yeah, it’s cleared, but . . .
ST	Well . . .
JT	Some [0:18:48.5] may have squatters rights.
AT	There’s a scummy pond on there.
ST	You were talking the other day how it would be a pond out here somewhere.
GT	We were looking at this house, and it looked like it was right—
ST	I think we were looking at the next—at the newer one that his just a little beyond here.
GT	Oh, no.  We were looking at that one—that big one right there.
ST	All those horses think we’re going to feed them something.
GT	[chuckles]
ST	So the Chastains’ house was where this one is?
GT	See that framework there that looks like somebody’s getting ready to build something?
ST	Like a horse shed?
GT	That’s where the Chastains’ house was.
AT	Well, where was yours?
GT	Our was just between there and where you see all that vegetation, but it burned down and they’ve obviously hauled everything away that was there.
ST	Well, somebody ought to run a title search on that and see if there is a clear title.
GT	It’s really messed up.
ST	I’ll bet it is.
GT	Ann and I went down to the County Office and looked up the things one day, and [chuckles] it’s such a mess, they probably just gave up trying to get a clear title on it.
ST	Which is why somebody’s got essentially free pasture there now.
GT	Essentially, I’m sure that’s true.
ST	See, because when I do Google Street view of the address that you gave me, it puts us in front of—I think in front of the house where the red truck is up here.
GT	Well, that’s [chuckles] that’s way past.
ST	Now, see, I—Somebody’s just running baling twine for fencing here.  I bet nobody has clear title to that ground.
GT	I bet you’re right.   [chuckles]  That’s—right there is where the driveway—what we used for a driveway was when we lived here.
JT	This gravel path-ish?
GT	Behind those strings.
JT	Oh.   Behind the strings.
GT	It’s hard to say exactly where the property lines were.
ST	That would be why the title would be so hard to come by.
AT	He couldn’t find his mother’s death certificate.
ST	Well, I promise you, she’s dead.
GT	[chuckles]
AT	Well, yeah, but I mean, when he was looking for it [laughter]—who owned the property, smarty pants.  [laughter]  Are you going to go down and get a picture of where B-A-B was.
GT	Uh, I don’t think we can get to where BAB was.
ST	I’ll bet you we can.  I’ll bet you it’s right down there behind the mosque.  There’s a park there.
AT	Yeah.  We used to go down to that park when I worked right out there.  We’d go down to that park and have lunch.
GT	It’s on the other side of the river.
ST	Oh.  Well, but you can drive right to the river over here.
GT	Well, let’s try that.
AT	I worked right over there, just off 2100 South and Redwood Road, at Mountain States Analytical, and he’d come and bring lunch, and we’d go down to this park and have lunch.  . . . Someone is building a new house.  Wow.
ST	Well, they were trying, and it looks like they’ve given up.  It’s up for sale.
AT	Oh.   Okay.  There’s some people there looking at it.  . . .
GT	Huh.  Look at that car.  What is that?  That’s a —
AT	Classy old car.
JT	Old Porsche?
GT	I think it’s a Plymouth.  . . .  It looks like the same kind of people still live here.  [chuckles]
JT	Tongue in cheek—well, out of cheek.
ST	Well, it was more or less a Hooverville back in the day, wasn’t it?  When Grandma first moved out here?
GT	Yes.  More than less.  [chuckles]
ST	More than less.
GT	Looks like it still is . . . very . .  .
JT	Hoover-istic.
GT	Traffic signal?!
ST	Where was it that I was talking to a West Valley Cop—it was at one of the barbeque events that I came to, out on this side of the Valley, and I mentioned that I kind of had roots in Chesterfield, and she kind of went, “ooooh.  Chesterfield.” She said, “yeah, we go down to Chesterfield a lot.”  [laughter]
GT	Oh.  There’s the mosque, huh?
ST	Yep.  There’s the mosque.  The river’s just on the other side of it there.
GT	That’s why they’ve got a traffic signal here. . .   Oh no.  it’s because of the TRAX.
ST	The TRAX.  Yeah.
AT	Wow.  This has changed just since we got married—a lot, hasn’t it.
GT	Oh yeah.  A lot.
ST	As a matter of fact, I don’t think the TRAX tracks even were through here the last time I came through here, which hasn’t been that long ago.  It’s only been a couple of years.
AT	Yeah, well, we’ve come down here took, and neither the mosque nor the TRAX were here when we drove down.
GT	The Orem tracks crossed the river right about here.  It had a trestle bridge that the kids walked across.
ST	Khadeeja Islamic Center. . . With their own little lake—their own reflecting pond.  [laughter]
GT	We used to sit on the trestle while the trains went across.
ST	There’s a nice little property for sale—riverfront property.
GT	[laughter] Right across from the mosque.
ST	I guess the park is still another block north here.
GT	I think—see that big tree over there?
AT	Which one?  The one that’s over all by itself?
GT	The big one before you get to the buildings over there.
AT	Okay—
GT	Kind of all by itself.  That might be BAB.
ST	Jewels, BAB stands for—erm—the last word is beach.  And it was clothing optional.
GT	[chuckles]  What do you mean optional?  [laughter]
ST	Clothing forbidden.  Sorry.
AT	Bare Ankles, I think is what it was.  [laughter]
GT	There never were any girls there.
ST	I was never allowed to go there. [petulantly]
JT	What fun might it have been!
GT	It was always young men.
JT	[laughs] —it would have been.
AT	Well, he’s a young man.
ST	I was a little too young at the time.  Grandma moved out of here when I was probably eleven, I guess.
JT/AT	[Discussing a tree, perhaps a tamarack tree]
GT	I didn’t know that mosque was there.  How long has it been there?
ST	At least three or four years that I know of.
GT	It’s been about that long since I was out there last.
ST	The TRAX has come through since—remember when I was looking at doing a clean-up project on the Parkway, right along in here?  It’s been since then.  The TRAX have come through since then.  Q
GT	Well, they’re not following the same route as the Orem.
ST	If you turn right here, there’s a—I’ll show you where the new park is.  I hope.
GT	Have they replaced the old park?
ST	It’s called Trailhead Park—er, I think that’s the name of it.
GT	Yeah.  That’s what it was the last time I was at it.  It’s where Ann and I used to eat lunch.
ST	Ahhh.
JT	You both worked out this way?
AT	No, I just did, and he’d come out—when we were dating, he’d come out and pick me up for lunch.  He’d fix lunch and bring it out, and we’d go and eat in the park.
ST	Look at that!  It’s a muskrat, swimming across that pond right there.
GT	We used to trap muskrats out here.
AT	There’s the park.
ST	Yep.  You can get right down into it down the street, at the light right there.
GT	What’s this moving? . . . UTA TRAX.
AT	This is the road we used to come down.  Yeah. . . . Oh, don’t go in there.  You can’t—q
ST	Yeah.  You want to go down the street.  This is just a parking lot for that building.
AT	Unless you want to look at that building.
GT	It looks to me like it goes back to the parking lot for the park.
AT	That platform is not in service.
ST	“Attention passengers—“
GT	Did you here where—uh, who is it?  Somebody just announced they’re going to be hiring hundreds of people?
ST	I didn’t hear that.
AT	Yep.  That’s where we used to come.
GT	Yeah.  This is Trailhead Park.
JT	What kind of company did you work for?
AT	Mountain States Analytical.  They analyzed all kinds of things for different people, to see what was in it—what was this and what was that.
ST	Every time I have come here, there are single guys hanging out.
AT	Yeah.  I wouldn’t be a bit surprised but that it has become a gay hangout place now.  Sometimes we ate under here, and sometimes we went to one of the other tables.
GT	The river is right on the other side of that fence.
ST	Yep.  As a matter of fact, the bridge goes across—a bicycle and pedestrian bridge.
GT	It does?  Across the river?
ST	Yeah.  The bicycle and pedestrian bridge goes across the river.
GT	I’d like to get out and walk over there.  —Oh.  That bridge.
ST	Yeah.
GT	I don’t think that bridge was there, was it, Honey? When we were here?
AT	Yeah, it was.
GT	It was?
AT	But, it didn’t have—yeah, it was there.  Are you alright parked where you’re parked?
GT	It doesn’t say “no parking” here anywhere.
AT	Okay.
JT	If anyone really wanted to get through, they could just not come this way.
AT	Right.
ST	If anybody objects, we can just say we’re here selling drugs.  [laughter]
AT	We’re trying to buy some drugs.  What’s the matter with you, boy?
	[getting out and walking]
ST	Do you want me to roll this window up, or do you want to do that all?
GT	You can’t get out?
AT	No.  And neither can Julie.  . . .   . . .  This is not rolled up, honey.  . . . Well, yeah.  You may lose some stuff out of there.  [end]
	[begin gft20110620-02]
JT	SMA Dutch oven, FYI.
ST	SMA Dutch oven?
JT	Yeah.
ST	Google them and see what you find. . . .
AT	You want to buy them out?
JT	[laughs]  yeah.  Oh, I just was wondering what it was about.
GT	Oh.  There’s a Catholic church.  . . .  Yeah.  We’re on Lester Street.
ST	That can’t be a Catholic church.  It’s not on the map.
AT	Uh, sweetheart, it’s getting close to six o’clock and I’m going to start being really bad off in a few minutes.
JT	So, what sounds good to you?
GT	So, you’re saying you want to get something to eat?
AT	Yeah.  I don’t care what it is, as long as it’s something.  Well, I do.  I don’t want a dead porcupine.
GT	Maybe we could stop and pick some rosehips.  Do you eat rosehips?
AT	Uh . . .
ST	You can’t get anywhere this way.  It’s gonna—
GT	What street is this?
ST	Oh, this is Crystal.  Yes, I’m sorry.  Yes, you can.
AT	It’s the Islamic Moroni.  Manoni.
ST	Yeah.  Go all the way to the end.
GT	It’s not Catholic.  What denomination is it?
AT	Manoni?  I don’t know.
GT	Manoni  [editor: Tongan United Methodist, corner of Lester Street & Crystal Ave.]
ST	Los Mormonis?
GT	I think one of the last houses I ever shingled was right down here someplace.  Right close by.
ST	Were you with me the day we got off the bike path and came and rode all around through there?
GT	That might be the house there—the one I shingled.  Once, when I was home on leave.
AT	Do you know what?  Stop the car.  I’ve got Boost in the trunk.  And then, we won’t have to worry about me getting—
ST	That sounds like a personal problem.  [laughter]
AT	Open this and then open the back.  Do you kids want a Boost?  Or are you trying to quit?
ST	Mom, I’m already up, thanks.
JT	Heh heh. . . .
AT	I remembered this.
ST	There’s a nice herd of goats.
JT	That is a smart car thing.
AT	You can close the trunk now, honey.
JT	Oh, wow.  It’s the small box.  [facetiously]
AT	I bought it at Sam’s Club.  . . .
ST	Your car makes funny noises. . . . Now, Animal Services is out here checking on these goats.  I wonder what’s going on with that.  Two trucks.  Maybe there’s something in there eating them.
GT	Maybe they’re being neglected.  . . . I don’t smell them.   . .  .  Look at that.
ST	American Preparatory, it says.
AT	Can you pull that?
JT	Probably.  “Easy Open”—right.
GT	Kingdom Hall.
JT	If it wasn’t so mocking, right?
GT	Jehovah’s Witnesses.
AT	Thank you.
GT	Salon Del Reno. . . . Huh.
ST	So, are those things actually any good?
AT	Yeah.
ST	Okay.  Now if you turn right—this is where it was.  If you turn right here, it’s going to get to the bank of the drain.
AT	Do you want one of these, Glen?
GT	Yes, please.
JT	Here.  Anyway, I was just reading the label. That’s for your dad.  I gave it a shake, so it should fizz all over.
AT	Do you want one, Scott?
ST	No, I’m good, thanks.
AT	Are you sure you don’t want to try it?  It’s strawberry.
ST	[sighs melodramatically]  Okay.
AT	“It’s an excellent source of protein, has 26 vitamins and minerals—”
GT	Oh.  These are old ones.
AT	No, they’re no told ones.   They’re just the old bottle.
GT	That’s what I mean.  [chuckles]
ST	Oh, I’ll try one.
JT	Okay.  I’ve got one in my hand.
ST	Okay.  I’ll share yours.  I’ll share with Jewels.
JT	Yeah.  I really just want a sip of it, so I’m opening Scott’s.
AT	No.  You open them, you got to drink them.
JT	Right.
ST	Oh, fine.  If you kill it, you’ve got to eat it, huh?
JT	15 gm. of protein.  Also potassium—380 potassium.
ST	I’ve had so much potassium today.
JT	Heh.  We had to go.  It was on—we just ran out of potassium today.  Today was the day.  And, so I got him up—
AT	Ostriches!!  No.  Peacocks.
JT	And a llama?
AT	No.  Are they ostriches?
ST	Emus.
AT	Emus.  Okay.
GT	It looks like TRAX at this point follows the old Orem right of way.
ST	Tastes like a protein shake. . . .  Now, we can get out and walk right here, and I think right across here is the ditch.  Is the drain.
AT	Honey, don’t park on this thing.  Oh.   Okay.
JT	It’s not going to let him.
AT	Okay.
JT	It’s locked.
AT	Yeah.  That was smart.
ST	Do you want to walk over and see if that’s the drain you remember on the other side of the tracks?
GT	Uh-uh.  [chuckles]
ST	Okay.  We’ll decide it is, then.
GT	I’ll take your word for it.
ST	It works for me. . . .   That’s actually pretty good.
AT	Yeah.  They’re not bad, and they’ll bring me out of a sugar low.
ST	Yeah.  We don’t need any TKA episodes up here.
GT	I wonder when they’re going to start running the trains.
JT	That makes me sad.
AT	Well, there’s this much about it.  When you’re in that kind of situation, you can’t think.  You can’t reason.  You can’t even tell anybody what’s going on.  You just know something is bad.
ST	Well, he had to have gotten pretty far into it.
AT	But, he kind of ignored it—
ST	No, I’m not.
AT	Okay.  He kind of . . .  [end.]
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JT	Pick up.  Uh, here.  I’ll move this, right here.
GT	Oh.  Thank you!
JT	And it will go further if you want, but that’s pretty—and, if you need help putting it down, because sometimes it’s tricky—look—just . . . . Okay.  It’s beeping.  It wants batteries.  [end]
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All	[laughter]
ST	Somebody’s got to go down the drain.  . . . Well, we’re taking nominations.
JT	It was just a [00:00:18.6] no, no.  And, I hadn’t been out for a while, and I’m like, has the world gone —
AT	This bad?  [laughter]
JT	I think once in a while I’ll just get shocked with like how many people there are or something, like I haven’t been dialed in.
AT	Well, when you spend your time in a classroom and doing papers and getting things—I imagine the world hits you in the face every once in a while.
JT	You  just kind of move in a little closer —
ST	So, the other day, we were going along with a narrative of home to home of all the places you had lived.  And we got you to Chesterfield.  And, we were kind of weaving in random memories, but chronologically by places you were living at the time.
GT	Do you remember where we left off?
ST	Yep.  We had just gotten you moved to Chesterfield.  We had talked a little bit about how Grandma came to have that property, and her deeding a little piece of it to the Chastains’, and I think that’s about as far as we got.
GT	Well, that covers kind of the deeding the little piece to the Chastains kind of covers several years of residence there.  It’s kind of interesting, I think.  It was because my mother wanted to have Martha living with her, and that was the only way she could swing it, was to get her mother living right next to her.  That’s kind of an interesting situation.  What were you going to say, dear?
AT	Did her mother just give Martha to her, or how did she get Martha?
GT	Well, her mother got put in jail, and she—Martha was about, oh, seven or eight months old when her mother got put in jail, so Mom just took her and took care of her.  I don’t know how long Inette was in jail, but she was glad to have Martha with my mother, and so Martha just grew up thinking my mother was her mother.  And, she was several years old before it really finally sank in that she wasn’t.
ST	She called her “Mom” to the end of her days—well, Grandma’s days.
GT	She still calls her that.
ST	She stills calls her “Mom”.  They live up in Paradise.  Well. Grandma’s probably gone on to Heaven, but Martha and her husband and family live in Paradise.  [laughter]
GT	That’s in Cache County, Utah.
ST	Right.  South end.  That’s where my servers reside.
GT	Her name is Chastain now.
ST	Oh, Robin’s is—I mean, Martha’s is?
GT	Oh, no.  It’s [00:04:24.0], I’m sorry.  Not Chastain.
AT	What’s Robin’s last name.
GT	That’s what I’m trying to remember, but I can’t offhand.
AT	He’s an interesting fellow.  Nice and nice.
GT	He’s maybe ten years younger than Martha.  I’m not sure exactly how much younger he is, but it’s quite a bit.
ST	It wasn’t Snyder?
GT	She was married to a guy named Snyder.  That was her first husband’s name, and had two sons by him.
ST	Jasper, and John, and a daughter, right?
GT	No, Martha came before she got with Snyder.  And—
ST	I’m confused.  Are we talking about Inette?
GT	Inette, yeah.
ST	Okay.
GT	Inette was Martha’s mother.
ST	But, Inette wasn’t a Snyder ever, was she?  Or was she?
GT	Yeah.  Oh, that’s right.  Boy, I did get mixed up.  Martha was married to a guy named Snyder.
ST	Right.
GT	I’m sorry.  But, Inette—wow.  I can’t remember her first husband’s name, come to think of it.  But, he was—his first name was Billy [chuckles]—
ST	He was out of the picture before I came along.
GT	Yeah.  And he wasn’t Martha’s father.  Crazy mixed-up situation.  I don’t know the whole history of it.
ST	Martha isn’t that much older than me, is she?  Because I—She’s only a few years older than me, because one of my very first memories is being in a #10 washtub with Martha.  I probably was three, out in Grandma’s yard in a #10 washtub.  —What?!  Why are you hitting me!?!  [laughter]
JT	[00:06:56.7] in  Chesterfield.
AT	It’s called child abuse, honey.  [laughter]
GT	You had to be about a year old when you remember that.
ST	I’m being abused!
GT	But, it’s kind of hard for me to remember exactly how your ages correlated there.  She was with my mother—she got to be with my mother while I was in college at Utah State in Logan, when I was living there with Uncle Virgil and Aunt Edna.
ST	That was after you got out of the Navy, right?
GT	No.  That was before I went in the Navy.  That was the year before I went in the Navy.  I spent a year at Utah State in in ’49-’50.  I graduated from high school in 1949—
AT	We were there in 1952.
GT	And, somehow my mother got Uncle Virgil and Aunt Edna to invite me to go to college at Utah State and live with them.  That was an interesting thing.  I went to Logan one day and showed up on their doorstep, and before they knew it I was living with them, I think.  [laughter] and enrolled at Utah State.  I had saved some money putting shingles on roofs—roofing.  I was, I think a junior in high school one summer when I started working for a man named Clyde Shepherd.  He taught me how to shingle, along with one of his grandsons who was just a little bit younger than me—
ST	Cedar shingling, or—
GT	That’s what we did most of.  We did cedar shingles and composition shingles.  Composition shingles were a lot easier than cedar.  But, it was interesting and I managed to save up enough money that I could pay for my registration at Utah State for the first quarter.  It was less than $100.  But, I think I registered for the whole year and bought my books and all that, with money I had saved up.  And then, when the second quarter came along and Uncle Virgil helped pay for that, and then the third quarter—I was there for three quarters, living with Uncle Virgil and Aunt Edna and Calvin.  During that time, my mother got tangled up somehow with Inette, and she was married to the son of a friend of Glen E. Tarbet, that he worked with.  He—I can’t think of his last name—Johnny something-or-other and his son Billy—Billy and Inette.  Inette had already had Martha and her two brothers, and they were all named Chastain.  It really bugs me that I can’t think of Billy’s last name. Billy kind of taught me how to drive a car when I was sixteen.  No.  I guess I was older than sixteen when he taught me.
ST	What did he use to teach you to drive in?
GT	We had a—uh, what kind of car was it then?  . . . I can’t remember, but—I know one of the cars that I learned to drive in was Aunt Corral’s (Coral) Chevrolet.  But—for my transportation for a large part of my teenage years, I made myself a bicycle when I was sixteen.
ST	You made it?
GT	[Chuckles]  Yeah.  I put together parts that I scrounged up and managed to get them to fit together, and managed to get tires and stuff.
AT	And you rode that from Granger clear out to—I mean—
ST	From Granite.
AT	From Granite High School.
GT	No.  I didn’t have it while I was going to high school—well, I never rode it to high school.  I could always ride the school bus to high school, and arranged rides with other people for various other things.
JT	Turn here?
GT	Oh.  Do I turn here?
ST	Yes.
GT	One of the things that happened when I was going to Plymouth Junior High that meant a lot to my life was the orchestra teacher decided that I’d make a good bass fiddle player.  And so, when I was in the eighth grade, he started me playing bass fiddle for the Plymouth Junior High School orchestra.
ST	How did you learn?
GT	I— he showed me the basics and gave me the book, and I kind of picked it up from there.  That was — we were on 33rd, weren’t we, when we came in here?
ST	We were.  Yes.  The next light is 39th.  It’s just beyond there.
GT	It’s kind of hard to keep track of where I am and tell you stories at the same time.
JT	Those two roads turn into each other sometimes, without any —
GT	Yeah.  But, while I was at Plymouth Junior High, playing the bass fiddle got me into the Harmony Five dance band group, which was set up by Vern Mockley, and I borrowed the school bass fiddle to play bass in that.  Then, I gradually learned how to play without music, and I guess the more accurate word for what I was doing was ‘faking’.
JT	Improvise.
GT	[chuckles]
AT	Didn’t you have any strings on it?  [laughter]
GT	It wasn’t that much of a fake.    [editor: air bass]
JT	Your ear knew what it should sound like.
GT	I learned to play with music to begin with, then I got so I didn’t need to use the music all the time.
AT	We’ve had a bass fiddle in our bedroom for years, and I’ve never heard him play it.
JT	Hmmmm.
ST	Kind of like Julie with my guitars and basses and what not out our house, huh? —where the blue and white sign is—street sign.
AT	So, did you earn money playing bass fiddle?
GT	Yes.
ST	It looks like there’s a parking spot—oh, no.  Our Yaris is in there, so we’ll need to park out here.  If you want to park up there, I’ll park this, so you don’t have to walk so far.  Just go right ahead over there, and I’ll bring the van back and park it.
JT	He’s pretty fancy with his backing.  He might even back it in.
ST	Well, yeah.  We can assume that.
JT	That you’re pretty fancy?
ST	I back in and out of this place all the time.
GT	I’d usually get paid four dollars for a dance job.  [end]
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AT	. . . That’s endocrine gland, which is what your pancreas is—your pancreas is what makes the insulin.
GT	I don’t think I’ve ever been on Chesterfield Street before.
AT	Have you got gas?  [phone conversation]
GT	Parkway.   I used to think that our house was on Parkway—our property was on Parkway.  In fact, we used that for an address, I think, at one time.
AT	That’s interesting—all those little animals along there.
JT	We’ve been down this street.
AT	Look at this . . . Oh, look at the tree house.  How cute is that!
JT	With a good sturdy ladder going up, looks like.
GT	I remember one time when I was driving a taxi, I had a fare that lived on Parkway.
AT	You’ll have to talk louder, honey.
ST	Oh, no.  We’re getting it.
JT	How old were you when you drove taxi?
GT	Let’s see.  That was —
ST	I was ten and eleven.
AT	And why did you drive taxi.
GT	Because I couldn’t afford to live on my wages.
ST	A million dollars of child support a month.
GT	[chuckles]
JT	So, it was about then?
ST	Hmmm.
GT	What I started to say was, I took this lady home and she told me that the people there were kind of crazy because they’d bath the baby and do the dishes in the water they bathed the baby in.  [laughter]
AT	That’s kind of how clean are those?  As clean as cold water can get ‘em.  So we went ahead and ate, and afterwards, the dog come started licking the plates and he said, “Cold Water, get out of there!”  [laughter]
GT	I wonder what happened to the ditch that used to be right there.
ST	Well, there’s standing water on the other side of these trees right here.
GT	Whoa.  There’s somebody behind me trying to get past.
AT	That’s awful to let horses live in that kind of crap.
GT	What are they doing?  They were behind me.  What happened to them?
JT	They went straight.
GT	Oh.  . . . [sigh]  Old home town.  . . . who says you can’t go home again?
AT	Well, your home’s not there.
GT	[chuckles]
ST	But the lot is!
GT	Okay.  Where do we go from here?
AT	You could go swim in that pool.  [facetiously]
GT	Is this Lester Street?
ST	No.  This is Whitlock.  Oh.  We’re crossing Lester Street.  Yeah.
GT	Yeah.  That’s where the Smiths’ residence was we lived in for a while, rent-free.  I had a bedroom and a living room and a kitchen.  . . . Which way am I turning here?
AT	I don’t know.  Which way are ya?  Is this a trivia question?
GT	This is Redwood Road.
ST	Which kind of food are we headed for?
AT	What sounds good to you kids?
ST	Anti-diabetic coma food.
AT	Do you want another Boost, then?  [laughter]
ST	Not me!
JT	Do you want fast food or sit-down food, I guess would be a good way to start.
ST	That’s a good way to  narrow things down.
AT	Well, why we don’t sit down and have food.
JT	Do you want to sit down at a fast food place, or sit down at a not fast food place.
AT	I don’t need food near as fast as I did before.
JT	Gotcha.
AT	I don’t know what’s out here anymore.
ST	We could go over by the Hale to the Cracker Barrel.
AT	Okay. Yeah.  That’s a good place.  The Cracker Barrel over by the Hale Theater.
JT	And there’s other things like, Training Table.
ST	Yep.  There’s a Training Table rihght there too.
AT	I’m too old to start training.
ST	You can’t be taught any new tricks, huh? . . .  Okay.  Let’s turn this thing off.  [end]