gft20110620-06

Date:  2011-07-24	File:  gft20110620-06
Keywords:	Chesterfield, 1940s, music, choir, orchestra, dance combos, 1950s, Navy years, Betty Brown Bodily, Gloria Gay Nuttall, San Francisco, San Diego, Oakland, Alameda, early marriage
People:	Glen Tarbet (GT), Julie Tarbet (JT), Scott Tarbet (ST), Ann Tarbet (AT)
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JT	Scott, would you say twenty is what we paid for it?  What would you say?  $15
ST	It’s probably 15-16.
JT	Yeah.  It think it is.  14-something. 14.75 or something.
ST	Anyway, we were talking about dance bands.
JT	And six dollars on holidays.
AT	Made two bucks extra on holidays.
GT	Is that—are you saying the take up there?
JT	-ish
ST	-ish
JT	Or, jump from there.
GT	-ish?
JT	You don’t have to stay there.
ST	Yes he does [commanding voice].  He has to stay there.  Right there!
GT	We had quite a few gigs.  Weddings and ward dances were the main things.  It was a lot of fun and provided me with a little bit of spending money, which I wouldn’t have had otherwise.
	[whispering]
ST	[whispering] What are you guys whispering about over there?
GT	One thing that happened is Vernal Middleton came home from the Navy after World War II was over, and he got very good friends with my mother.  He was a neighbor—a young neighbor man, and my mother kind of played cupid with him and Beverly Middleton, and they eventually got married.  But, Vernal Middleton was instrumental in my getting a bass fiddle.  He provided the money that paid for it, somehow.  He bought it for $100.  That was—I guess it’s quite a bargain for a bass fiddle to get it for $100.  The claim was that it had been one of the instruments used in the old Salt Lake Theater, which had long since been destroyed.  It was on the corner of First South and State Street for many years, and had lots of productions there.  But, that was the legend, I guess—or whatever it was—[editor: provenance] the salesman told us, that it had been there and —
ST	Where did you buy it?
GT	We bought it at a music store.  I can’t remember the name of the music store, but it was on First South, right across the street from where the old Salt Lake Theater was.
ST	Well, that lends a little bit of credence to the legend then, huh?
GT	[chuckles] I guess.  But, it was nice to have, and I’ve had it ever since.  It’s been through a couple of—or more—of remodels and repairs.  It had a cracked neck which we got repaired.  Of course, it’s—I haven’t played it for many months, so I don’t know how its condition is right now.
AT	Try fourteen years.
GT	[chuckles]
ST	She’s never heard you play it.
GT	I guess it’s been that long.
AT	A few months.  Yeah.
GT	It’s been more than that, actually.  I think the last time I actually played it was for my mother’s 80th birthday party.
ST	Well, Victor’s talking about putting together a little band for your 80th, so maybe you’ll get it out and play it for us then.
JT	Just to sit in for a little bit.
GT	It might have to have some work down on it before it’s playable.
ST	Maybe get restrung and a new bridge and what not.
GT	I don’t think it’ll need a new bridge.  I don’t know what it will need.  It’s been a long time that it has had a defective peg system.
ST	Well, we’ll have to look before September.  Get it over to Peter Pryor.
GT	Peter Pryor is the one that has done a lot of work on it.  He really overhauled it the last time we left it with him.  Your mother took it upon herself to sand it down and varnish.  [general cries of disbelief]
ST	Oh!  I didn’t know that.  [heaves heavy sigh]
GT	It didn’t hurt it.  It seemed to make it look a lot better.  I don’t know.  It might even sound better than it did before.
AT	What kind of varnish did she use on it?   [editor’s note:  the varnish on a stringed instrument is integral to the sound it produces.  It’s not just for looks]
JT	There is an instrument type of varnish.
AT	I know.
JT	There’s a water right there.
ST	Was that about the time she made that case for it?  Sewed that case?
GT	Yeah.  Well, I think she did the case before she varnished it.  We had the case for quite a while before she varnished it.  It was —the varnish is had on it was very ugly-looking before she worked on it.  It looks a lot better than it did before she worked on it.
JT	And that’s the varnish it has to this day?
GT	Right.
JT	That’s cool.
AT	That is cool.  I didn’t know that until right now.
GT	I have really tried to bring you completely up to date on the history of my bass fiddle.  [in perfect deadpan] [laughter]
AT	You’ll never say that again.
GT	The main thing that Peter Pryor did, I think, was to overhaul the neck system so that it was —it came out with better spacing of the strings over the bridge and so on.
ST	And fret board?
GT	And fret board, yeah.  I think it’s still a pretty good bass fiddle—probably worth a whole lot more now than it was, than the $100 we paid for it.
ST	I’m sure that’s true.  Joe wanted to buy one when he was  first starting college, and he and I went out looking for some.  You can spend a lot of money on a bass fiddle these days.
GT	Oh yes.
ST	It’s not uncommon to pay $80,000 for a good bass.
GT	Hard to imagine.
ST	Yeah.
GT	Spending that much money for a musical instrument—unless you’re really making good money with it.
ST	Uh-huh.
GT	For a kid to use it for a dance band and gigs could never justify anything like that.
ST	No.  I spent $300-400 and got him an electric one, for the kinds of things he was doing.
GT	Speaking of electric ones—the electric bass I bought I lent to Victor about twenty years ago, I guess, and he’s still got it.  He was telling me that the amplifier isn’t working or something, now.  He has that.  I used what I got in another dance band—I’ve been in four dance band combos, three of them in addition to the Harmony Five that I got in when I was in junior high school.  Is that all?  Let’s see.  There was—I  was in a little combo we put together for the traveling assembly and for the talent assembly when I was a senior in high school.  So, that’s one.  And then I was in one that my step-cousin—awww.  I can’t think of his name now.  But, he was going to Jordan High School, and some friends of his and he had got me to play for them.  So, that’s another one.  And then I was in the combo at Utah State—played in a dance band for several gigs with them, in Logan and Smithfield.  I was—let’s see.  Then, after that, I was in the electronics school on Treasure Island—had a dance combo and I played for that.  We played for several Navy dances at the hotels in downtown San Francisco, and at Navy gyms on Treasure Island, and at the naval station—Oh.  I can’t remember the name of the naval station that we played at which was oh, maybe 50 miles from San Francisco.  I’m just terrible with remembering things anymore.  Too bad we didn’t get this done sooner. [laughter] So, I guess that makes—how many have I counted?  Little dance combos?
ST	More than four.  That’s six or seven so far.
GT	Oh.  Did I mention the talent assembly?  I did, didn’t I.  —the traveling assembly.  I started to mention that, and got off on the talent assembly.  But, for the traveling assembly we had a little combo.  I played in that for the traveling assembly for Granite High School when I was a senior at Granite.  But, that was a lot of fun— Oh, and then the last dance band I played with was a group that some friends in Taylorsville set up and I played with them for numerous dance gigs, and then also for a German dance band.
ST	I remember that one.  Horst somebody.
GT	Horst Featal.  Yeah.
ST	Horst Featal.  There ya go.
GT	And Horst died about twenty years ago.  I don’t know what he died of, but . . . we played a lot of German—for a lot of German bands then—or, a lot of German dances, I meant to say.  And ward dances and ladies club dances.
ST	I remember going to Liberty Park when Horst’s band would play at Liberty Park on Sunday afternoons.
GT	That’s right.  They did play there a couple of times.  But, that was a large part of my life for a long time.  It’s been twenty years or so, I guess, since the last time I played with the group from the Taylorsville Third Ward.
AT	We’ve been married fourteen years.
GT	Well, it was about six years before that.  It couldn’t have been much more than that—before I played with them.
AT	Oh.  Okay.
GT	But, it was interesting how those would evolve.  The Taylorsville group—they got the organizers of it—the man and his wife had a daughter that started playing bass fiddle, and so she took over.  And, she did a very good job, I guess, with it.  Oh, and then there was another one.  The, uh—oh, I can’t remember the name of the leader of the band I played with that we played at the Tooele Ordinance Depot quite regularly.
AT	Frickenstein or something?
GT	No.  And, various dances various places.  So, I guess I’ve made quite a bit of money in my lifetime playing dance gigs.  And, large parts of that was played by ear.  Whenever I got the chance I played with music.  [chuckles]
JT	But, those combo groups—you kind of had to be able to [improvise]
GT	Yeah.  They didn’t—they often just had piano music.  The piano player and the others would all play by ear, and I too would join in.
ST	Figure out what key you were going to play in, and away you’d go.
GT	Right.  That was the main thing—to know what key it is in—played a lot of those notes from that key.  We had Vern Mockley—the Harmony Five—Vern Mockley had built up quite a library of music that he played from.  That was very interesting.  And, another thing that happened was that I got in symphony orchestra.  I played for the Granite High School symphony orchestra, and I got in the McCune Junior Symphony—just went there and volunteered and auditioned for the conductor of that.  He was one of the Tabernacle organists.  Oh.  I can’t think of his name.  But, I played for the McCune Junior Symphony, and at the same time, as I got in the McCune junior symphony, I had been in the Aaronic Priesthood Boys’ Choir.  And I got started in that because the—somehow or other, the superintendent of music for Granite District was connected to that, and he had heard me singing and got me to sing a duet for the  Aaronic Priesthood Conference, May 15th, in I think it was like 1944 or something like that.  I sang alto.  I was in the ninth grade at the time . To do that, I had to be in the Aaronic Priesthood Boys Choir.  That rehearsed every Wednesday night, and it happened that the McCune Junior Symphony rehearsed every Wednesday night too, an hour earlier than the Aaronic Priesthood Boys Choir, and I volunteered to be in the McCune Junior Symphony, so I got to play the bass fiddle for that, for several years—for several months, maybe not several years.  Just a couple of years, I think.  I think I was—I guess I was in the junior symphony from the time I was—all the time I was in high school, I guess.  So, I guess it was several years.
ST	So, did you provide your own bass for that?
GT	No.  They had bass fiddles in the Assembly Hall, where they rehearsed.  They assigned me to one of the bass fiddles.  But, I really enjoyed that very much.  Then, when I went to Utah State I played for the symphony orchestra for Utah State.  Did I mention that I was in a dance band while I was at Utah State?
JT	That played for the school dances and stuff?  Or ward dances?
GT	We played for —mostly we played at a restaurant, the Xanadu Lodge up Logan canyon.
JT	[laughs] I remember that—not your playing, but—  [laughter]
GT	We also played at a dance hall in—it was in north Logan, several times.  I don’t believe we played for any Church dances.
JT	Dancing was a big, big deal, like when my parents were in college.  It was one of the chief entertainments.
GT	We played a lot of jazz music.  I did most of that by ear.  I used to have to tape all my fingers—all four playing fingers on my left hand, and my two plucking fingers on my right hand.  I’d have to wrap with adhesive tape—
ST	I remember that.
GT	I had a special technique that I developed to do that.  People would want to do it for me, and I wouldn’t let them, because it wouldn’t turn out right.  I used to get—before I taped them, I used to get blisters on all six of those fingers—great big blisters.  That was painful.  That was a large part of my life, playing the bass fiddle.  I really enjoyed it and it was quite a thing to sing that duet for the Aaronic Priesthood Boys’ Chorus. Oh, and when I was in the ninth grade in junior high school, I got to sing the part of “Poobah, the Lord High Everything Else” in the Mikado.  That was a lot of fun.   I sang a few solos for junior high school programs, and for the Redwood Ward.  I sang in the choir at Redwood Ward, and when I was sixteen, I was given the calling to be the ward chorister.
JT	At sixteen?
GT	Yeah.  And, I was sent to classes with the leader of the Tabernacle Choir then.  Oh, I can’t think of his name.  It’s terrible having  your memory go like this.  [chuckles]  But, I went to classes—well, every week for—oh, it must have been two or three months.
JT	Was it conducting, or?
GT	To learn conducting for the ward choir.
JT	That’s awesome that they did training like that.
GT	[chuckles]  That was really an honor to do that.
JT	At sixteen.
ST	I guess.
JT	Did they do roadshows and things like that when you were a kid?
GT	Yes, and I was in a couple of roadshows, and Christmas cantatas.  The first roadshow—the first Christmas cantata I was in, I sang the part of the page for Good King Wenceslaus. We—I started to mention that we drove down by Crystal Avenue—on Crystal Avenue down to Chesterfield Street, the two sisters who were in charge of the music for Redwood Ward when I first started getting active—I was thirteen years old.  The two sisters who were leading then lived down there on Chesterfield Street.  They were—oh, it’s terrible.  I can’t think of their names.
JT	Older sisters?
GT	They were late-teenage—
JT	So young
GT	Or early twenties.  In fact, I think they both had been on missions.
ST	So, they’d be mid-twenties, almost.
GT	Maybe mid-twenties.
JT	But young.  —That’s still—
GT	Young ladies.  They were lovely singers, and they had me sing the part of the page for Good King Wenceslaus.  And, it was—oh, a year or so after that that I was made the ward chorister.  I did remember that the assistant ward chorister was named Ilene Gambol, and she was a year younger than me.  But, the two of us went to the classes at the Tabernacle choir leader—on the tip of my tongue and I can’t think of it.  Honey, can you think of Tabernacle choir leaders back in those days?  The name of the—
AT	Ottley—
GT	No.  It was before Ottley.
AT	I can’t.
ST	I’ll have it here in just a second.
GT	He was a very interesting man.
ST	J. Spencer Cornwall?
GT	That was who it was, yeah.  J. Spencer Cornwall.  Where did you get that?
ST	On myutah.com choir history.
GT	Yeah.  He was the leader of the choir for several years.
ST	From ’35 to ’57.
GT	Wow.  Twenty-two  years.
JT	He taught those classes?  I just think that is remarkable.
GT	Of course, it was all voluntary.  He didn’t make anything with it, that I know of.  Of course, he might have been given a salary of some kind.  I don’t know.  But, he was certainly an interesting fellow—very kindly.  We used to—Eileen and I used to ride the bus to the downtown Salt Lake, down to where they held the classes.  It was in the MIA building, which was the building just north of what was then the Hotel Utah, at the time.   I guess I kind of had a crush on Ilene, but she was a very popular girl and kind of out of my reach.  I knew that all girls were out of my reach because I was so poor.
JT	Did you know the brother?  Eileen’s brother?  Or was that another guy.
ST	Different girlfriend.  Q
GT	Oh.  Yeah.  That was—
JT	That was her?
GT	She was Darleen Campbell’s cousin.  Darleen Campbell—her father and Darleen’s father were brothers.  They lived about a mile apart.  [query:  Campbell & Middleton were brothers?]  Eileen’s father was active in the Church, and Darleen’s father wasn’t.  Darleen’s father was the one that took care of my Boy Scott patrol’s treasury.  [chuckles]
JT	Oh.  That’s right.  [laughter]  Which at the time wasn’t a laughing matter by any means.
GT	I guess we laughed about it.  There wasn’t anything we could do about it, except—
JT	Not have him be in charge next time.
GT	Dig up the money somewhere else.  But, Darleen’s brother and I were kind of buddies, and he was a member of—he was one of the scouts in my patrol.  That’s how he got to be the treasurer, and his dad got to take care of the treasury.  [chuckles]
ST	Geeze.  Where’s my horse whip?
GT	Darleen was a cute girl.  I used to dance a lot with her.  I don’t know whatever happened to her.
AT	Should I be paying closer attention to this?
JT	[laughs]  He was a teenager, yeah.
GT	I think the last time I danced with her was when we were about twelve years old, or thirteen.
AT	Well, you were wondering what happened to her, so I thought I’d better pay closer attention.
GT	I really used to enjoy dancing with her.
JT	How did you guys learn to dance at such a young age?
GT	I learned to dance in the sixth grade, I think, at Oquirrh Elementary School in downtown Salt Lake.
JT	Sort of a PE class or?
GT	That was one of the things the teacher taught us.  Our homeroom teacher in the sixth grade taught us the fox trot and waltz.
JT	That’s wonderful.
GT	Ann, do you remember learning the dance steps when you were—
JT	In elementary?
AT	In elementary and junior high.  Yeah.  We had dances.  In fact, we used to have night dances, and some of the kids would start calling for boys, and they’d round the boys up.  Then, they’d start calling for girls, and about twelve boys and twelve girls would walk to the dance together.   And we’d dance—yeah.
GT	Well, we had, of course, ward dances almost every week.
AT	Oh, these were school dances.  In grade school.
JT	Wow.
GT	Well, we didn’t have—well, we had some dances in junior high.  We didn’t have them in grade school.
JT	Other than when you were learning in class.
GT	In class, they taught us.  I remember the superintendent of music for Salt Lake City School District came to our school and led us in some of the songs I’m sure he was instrumental in having us learn.  He was a really  vigorous conductor.  And the kids would look at him and laugh because he looked so funny leading the music.  [chuckles]  He was—ah.  I can’t think of his name either.  Is that in your information somewhere, Scott?
ST	[laughs]  Everything is on the internet.  He was superintendent of the Salt Lake City Schools?
GT	For the music superintendent for the Salt Lake City Schools.  He also—he had a music store, I think, in downtown Salt Lake.  I remember he published some books—he published scriptures for the Mormon Church, too.  Oh, I can’t think of his name.  But, he was—he was really—the interesting thing I remember about him most was laughing at him when he was up there waving his arms.
JT	You know kids.  There is no telling what is going to get their funny bone.  Then they’ll look at each other, and then there’s no stopping it.
AT	[laughs]  That’s true.
JT	Then, it’s just the giggles.
GT	I’ve got his name on the tip of my tongue and I can’t think of it.  But, he had his doctor’s degree.  He was doctor somebody.
JT	You played at Granite High School orchestra as well as the junior—McCune you said, right?
GT	Yeah.  At the same time as I was playing in the Granite High School orchestra, I was playing in the McCune Junior Symphony.  There was a senior symphony and a junior symphony.  The boy that was playing the bass fiddle who was a senior when I was a sophomore, was in the McCune Senior Symphony.  So, I had to get in the Junior Symphony.  I wasn’t good enough to play in the Senior Symphony.  At least, I didn’t think I was.
JT	They may have got the senior—I don’t know.  You know, sometimes, they will cast the senior, sometimes.
GT	I don’t know how he got in the senior symphony.  I imagine it was the same way I got in the junior symphony—just go and talk to the leader and get an audition.  The leader of the junior symphony had a son that played the bass violin too, who is now in the Utah Symphony.  He has the same name as his father, but I can’t remember it.  I know it’s the same name as his father.  But, you made me remember, Ann, when you and I went to the concert—the symphony concert together—
AT	the flautist that played?
GT	I think it was when—yeah.  When the flautist was the featured soloist.  I went up after and talked to the bass fiddle player who was—
JT	That, I bet we could find.  That was the director’s . . .
GT	Yeah.  He’s the son of the director of both the Senior McCune Symphony and the Junior McCune Symphony.  And, he was also a Tabernacle organist.
AT	Oh, I was having trouble because I canceled a date with one fellow, and I didn’t know he was taking me to the symphony, and  you asked me to go with you.  And so, at the symphony, he sat two rows behind us.  [laughs]
GT	You don’t remember my going up and talking to him?
AT	I do, but I can’t remember any names.  I was so embarrassed.
JT	She was remembering her little discomfort.  [laughter]
GT	That’s probably why you don’t remember the important things.  [laughter]
AT	Yes, that’s true.
JT	Girls.
AT	I just don’t remember the important things.
JT	You’re so welcome to stretch back and put your feet up.
AT	Oh, honey, if I did, I wouldn’t wake up tonight.  You’d just have to throw a cover over me.
GT	That’s terrible.  I can’t remember his name.
ST	I’ll have it here in just a sec.
GT	He was one of the organists for about as long as J. Spencer Cornwall was the Tabernacle Choir conductor.  [sigh]
AT	You were always seeing somebody you know and talking to them, so—
GT	I’m surprised you even remember my doing that, honey.
AT	I waited for ya.
GT	Yeah.  I know.
AT	On the wings of the stage.
JT	While keeping an eye on the two-rows-back guy.
AT	No.  I just looked back and there sat Neal Voss, and I nearly died.
GT	It turned out that he’s quite a  bit younger—the bass fiddle player I went to talk to.
JT	This would have been fourteen  years ago, though, right?
GT	Oh, more than that.  Well, yeah.  Fourteen years ago.
AT	[giggles]  And you think I don’t remember stuff?  [laughter]  Buddy?  Remember when I used to like you.  [laughter]  Just keep this up, boy.
JT	Scott, do you have some—
ST	I have nothing to add.  [laughter]
JT	Do you have some dating dialogue or, are you in charge?
AT	Oh, I have a whole—I kept a whole little journal of our dating.
JT	She could do that chapter.
ST	Ah, but we don’t need to do that verbally, right?
JT	It could be a nice little —
AT	It’s fun.
JT	Dramatic interpretation.
AT	He said to—well, I won’t do that while you’ve got the—  Click that off a minute.
GT	Why?
ST	Okay.  It’s off.
AT	Lie mouth.  [laughter]  I saw how turned it off.  Ha ha.
JT	We’ve got to get you guys on the road before it gets too dark.
AT	I was trying to buy some time for Betty’s daughters, because I remember what it was like when my dad started dating six months after my mother died.  And, it was just like somebody stuck a knife in me.  And so, he said, do you want to get married in June?  And I said, the only day I want to get married in June is the 14th of June.  That’s my mother’s and dad’s wedding anniversary and my grandma and grandpa’s wedding anniversary.  So, if you can get us into the temple on the 14th of June—because I knew the kids at Mountain States Analytical that were waiting for rooms until August, and this was in May.  And so, I said, then, we’ll get married on the 14th.  He called me back in a half an hour and says, “How’s 8:30 on the morning of the 14th and Glen Rudd will marry us?”  [laughter]  I said, “Who do you know up there?”  [laughter]
GT	By the way, I just remembered the name of the conductor.  It was Frank W. Asper.  Dr. Frank W. Asper.
AT	Okay.  Well, see?  Just talk about Glen Rudd brought that up.
GT	No, I remembered it before you mentioned Glen Rudd.  And one of the reasons I remembered it is because he was—Betty—my deceased wife—
AT	Your other wife
GT	Betty, was one of his star organ students.
AT	Okay.  Alright.
JT	I remember you saying that.
AT	I remember that, you telling me that, but I had forgotten it.
GT	He wanted her to go with him on a tour—
AT	And you wouldn’t let her?
GT	No, it was before she knew me.  For some reason, she couldn’t go with him.
ST	Her health, maybe?
GT	I don’t know why it was.  But, she didn’t go with him on his tour, anyway.  Or, maybe it was because he just didn’t go on the tour.  He was—we had him—do  you remember the—what did they call the club—the dance club for the seniors, in those days?
ST	Sociables?
GT	Sociables!  Right.  We had him play for the sociables one time, and he had a hard time playing because he had arthritis in his hands, and I think maybe that’s why he didn’t go on his tour.
AT	You act like I danced at those sociables.  I didn’t.
GT	He had retired as Tabernacle organist.
JT	So, what years did you want to go back to?
GT	How are we doing?
ST	Well, we’re not going to get through eighty years tonight.  We’ve got you up to about twenty.
JT	And little bits of others.
ST	We’ve got you almost ready to leave for the Navy, I think.  [laughter]
AT	Well, getting through the Navy’s four years is going to be something.
ST	We started by moving into —
GT	After the first year of school at Utah State with Uncle Virgil and Aunt Edna Cornia—is that where you were getting at?
ST	That sounds good to me.  Yeah.  I think we got you into Chesterfield, and now we’ve got you out of Chesterfield, so—
AT	And you went to Utah State for three quarters.  And then what did you do?
GT	For three quarters, and I got out of school and I went to work for Tooele Ordnance Depot.
ST	I didn’t know that.
GT	And, tried to join the Navy almost immediately.  And, they wouldn’t take me because I weighed thirty pounds too much.  And, they told me if I lost thirty pounds, that I’d be in the Navy.  So, I immediately proceeded to lose the thirty pounds.
JT	By running and stuff or?
GT	Well, I was working hard at the ordnance depot.
ST	What were you doing?
GT	I was an ammunition handler.  That meant that we unloaded railroad trains taking ammunition off of them.  That was bombs and artillery shells and various other kinds of ammunition—
AT	That probably scared the weight off ya.
GT	And relocating it—
JT	It helped with upper body.
GT	We were unloading railroad cars and moving the ammunition into bunkers out at the Tooele Ordnance Depot.  That is mostly what we did, or vice versa.  It was about then that the Korean was just getting going in full force.  And my son—[chuckles] my son.  My best buddy Glen Bolton got called on a mission.  He was all ready to go on a mission, and he got his draft call.
AT	He had to go in the Army.
GT	He had to go in the Army.
ST	That’s a good reason to go in the Navy.
GT	And about that time, I got a mission call, and I declined to go because I didn’t want to go in the Army the way Glen Bolton did.  Also, I didn’t see how anybody could finance my way on a mission, much less myself and my parents.  But, I—I was set to go in the Navy too, at the same time, so I wouldn’t get drafted into the Army.  So, I was dodging the draft.  I joined the Navy to dodge the draft.
JT	So, a legal dodge.
GT	Yeah.
ST	So, I didn’t realize you had ever received a mission call.  Back in the day you didn’t—
GT	Well, it wasn’t a formal mission call.  What I meant by that was, the bishop had asked me—it was one of the bishop’s counselors, actually, not the bishop himself—asked me if I wanted to go on a mission, and I declined.
ST	Gotcha.
GT	I didn’t receive an actual call.  But, I told him I was set to go in the Navy.  I lost the thirty pounds—
JT	Just that summer?
GT	I think it was probably in August that I had tried to enlist, and I lost the thirty pounds by December.  And, I went in the Navy in December of 1950.  And, they told me when I enlisted that I would be able to go aboard a submarine.  I wanted to be a submarine sailor, and the main reason for that—I mean, maybe not the main reason, but one of the main reasons was that I had two cousins that were both submarine sailors, and it really looked romantic to me to be a submarine sailor.
AT	Tell us the names of your two cousins.
GT	They told me that I could be an electronics technician too, because I had passed the tests that would be me in electronics school.
AT	In fact, he passed them the very highest.
GT	No.  Not the electronics test.
AT	What was the test you passed that was the very highest?
GT	My two cousins that I mentioned were Maurice Cornia and his little brother, Howard Cornia.  They were both submarine sailors. But, what you’re alluding to dear, is that when I got in boot camp in December, one of the things they insisted that you do when you were going to and from classes that you didn’t touch anything but the sides of your uniform with your hands.  We were coming out of a class one day and I got an itchy ear and brushed my ear, and the chief petty officer who was in charge of the company said, [barking orders] “Tarbet!  You’re the smartest man in the company!  How come you can’t keep your hands down?!”  And, he said, “You just got the highest GCT test score of the company, and you do a thing like that.” Anyway, from then on things really—it was really remarkable how the attitude changed toward me.
AT	They found out you wasn’t a dumb country bumpkin, huh?
GT	Hm-hmm.  One of the problems I had—I had had three quarters of ROTC at Utah State University, so I had learned to follow march orders correctly, and the sailors just couldn’t get the halt-one-two thing—
AT	Not only that, but you played the bass fiddle.
JT	So, you had the dance steps, and they didn’t.
GT	I’d halt-one-two and everyone else would run into me because they went on.  [chuckles]
ST	Which made you really popular.  [laughter]
GT	It took a while before they finally got the halt-one-two, and the first couple of times I went through that, I finally gave it up and halted-one-two-three-four or whatever everybody else did.  [laughter]
AT	Peer pressure, honey.  Peer pressure.  Get it, in the Navy—pier pressure.  [laughter]
ST	[groan]
GT	It’s amazing that—
JT	No, but that would make everybody—I mean—the chief don’t cop it.
GT	The chief—the DI [drill instructor] just didn’t pay any attention to that for some reason.
ST	Huh.  Did you ever think of going to OCS?  [officer’s candidate school].
GT	I thought of it, but I never got around to it.  To trying for it.
JT	Was there a Navy choir?
GT	Nah—well, there might have been—
AT	They were fighting wars.  They weren’t singing.
GT	There was a glee club aboard the ship that I went on.  What happened after I got through with boot camp, is I was scheduled to go to electronics school which I did.  At the end of electronics school, they needed people to take a special equipment electronics course and I got assigned to that.
JT	You were an obvious choice.  Yeah.  I can see—
GT	It was airborne early warning radar.
ST	Inter-born?
GT/AT	Airborne.
ST	Airborne.
GT	Airborne early warning radar.  Actually, there was a system where airplanes would carry the radar—
AT	You said ‘early warning’, not ‘early morning’!  . . . I’m sorry.
GT	Airplanes would carry the radar and send the radar picture back to the ships.  And, the ships had a system aboard the ship that would receive the signals from the airplanes and present it on scopes in CIC.  So, they needed electronics technicians to take care of the equipment that would do that aboard the aircraft carrier, and so I got stuck in the AEW, Airborne Early Warning radar school.
JT	So, it wasn’t necessarily your choice.
GT	It wasn’t—I had no choice at all.  I was just assigned to do that.   And, as a result of that, there were only a couple of submarines in the fleet that even had that kind of equipment aboard, and they were already manned with electronics technicians to take care of it. And so, I got put aboard an aircraft carrier that didn’t have anybody to take  care of the AEW radar that they had aboard.
ST	Were you alone as an AEW technician.
GT	In a way, I was alone.  There were thirty other—I think about—electronics technicians—shipboard electronics technicians—ship’s company technicians, I should say.  But, the air groups all had their own electronics technicians so they took care of the electronics aboard the aircraft.  The ships company electronics technicians just took care of the electronics aboard the ship.
AT	Well, how come you got your own office?
GT	Well, the AEW was in its own little office—own little compartment.
AT	I think you need to tell Scott what you put on that door.
GT	[chuckles]  Well, I found out that when we were having flight operations at sea, the flight deck enlisted men—the guys that pushed the airplanes around—in between flight operations would—they’d just have to find some place to flake out.  And, one of the things they liked to do was go in my AEW room and flop in there.  I didn’t like that at all.  And, the only way I decided to keep them out was to put a sign on the door that said “Danger 8,000 volts”.  [laughter]  That was what some of the equipment had buried deep inside the cabinets was 8,000 volts to clear the electronic debris off the CRT tubes.
JT	So, it wasn’t a lie.  It wasn’t the real danger.
AT	It wasn’t anything that could hurt ‘em.
ST	It was all sailor proof.
GT	Nobody ever went in there once I put that sign on the door.
ST	Plenty of rooms without high voltage signs on the door.
AT	I thought that was pretty smart.
ST	That’s pretty good.
AT	And you didn’t get in trouble for it, huh?
GT	No.
ST	Is this who you’re talking about?  The bassist at the symphony—Frank Asper, Junior?
GT	Yeah. That’s the guy.  Frank W. Asper, Jr.  Hmm.
JT	So, how many years?  Three years in the Navy?
GT	Hm-hmm.   I should say, almost three years.  I got out in August, and my cruise was up in December.  No, wait a minute.  I got out in September.
AT	How come you got out that much early?
GT	They were mustering people out because the Korean conflict had stopped.
AT	Was over, huh?  Okay.
JT	Your boat was coming in, so to speak?
GT	Well, that was part of it.  They sent me back to the States before the ship left Japan because they were mustering people out of the service.
ST	Cutting the budgets.
JT	So, was your whole stint as the AE—
GT	AEW?
JT	Yeah.  Was your whole stint, meaning active duty, in that capacity.
GT	I was aboard the Boxer for almost the rest of my naval career.  It was about a month before I was to be mustered out that I got sent back to the States.
AT	When were you on Treasure Island?
GT	From October—no, from I guess it was January 1951 to November 1951.  That’s while I was going to electronics school and to EMS electronics materiel school, and then to—uh, I forget what the official name of the AEW school was.
AT	Well, didn’t you go home on a furlough and get married?
GT	Yeah, I did.  That was in December of 1953.  I had been aboard ship for almost three years when I went home and got married.
AT	And didn’t you go back in the Navy and moved down to San Francisco?
GT	Well, I never got out of the Navy.
AT	Yeah, but I meant—
GT	But, I went back to San Francisco where the ship was after Gay and I got married, and we lived in a Quonset hut . . . oh, what am I trying to say?
AT	Alameda?  No, Alcatraz.
GT	No.   Hunter’s Point.
AT	Oh.  Hunter’s Point.  Okay.
GT	Hunter’s Point naval repair station, where the Boxer was in dry dock.  That’s where I went to first, and then the ship got moved to Alameda, and they moved us out of the Quonset hut at Hunter’s Point to an apartment at Alameda, while the ship was there, at Alameda Naval Air Station.
AT	I think you need to tell about your trip back to the Navy after you and Gay were married.
ST	That’s a famous story.
GT	[chuckles]  Well, that was really something.  I went and bought a car—a 1934 Oldsmobile.  Paid $60 for it.  It was running okay, but the night after we were married—Gay and I were married in the Logan temple, and on the way—the plan was for us to stay in a motel in Provo, and Gay had arrangements to have our reception at the your brother’s ward—only we didn’t know it was your brother, of course.  He was the bishop then.
AT	The Grandview Ward.
GT	The Grandview Ward in Provo.
ST	Oh.  Up on the Orem hill?
GT	Hm-mmm.
ST	No kidding.
GT	It was just on the brow on the Orem hill.
AT	In fact, my brother helped build that building, when he was bishop.
JT	You say you had plans.  Did they not—
GT	She had made plans for the reception, and we were driving in our Oldsmobile and we had a passenger, a girlfriend of Gay, came to our wedding in the Logan temple, and she was deaf.  But we had to take her back to Salt Lake City.  But, it was a snowy night and we had to drive down past the point of the mountain, and it wasn’t a freeway then.  It was just a four-lane highway.  But, there were cars all over the place off the road, and we just kept right on going up over the point of the mountain down into Provo.  We had just pulled into Provo and the driveline of the Oldsmobile broke.  We just kind of coasted into a service station—it was on the corner of Fifth West and Center Street in Provo, left the car there, and walked to our—
JT	Reception?
GT	Walked to our motel which we had reserved.  They fixed the driveline that night and we got the car back the next day.
ST	Oh my gosh.
GT	[chuckles]  I think it cost five dollars to have the driveline fixed.  [laughter]
AT	He was a serviceman, though.
ST	On his honeymoon.
JT	Were you wearing service—
GT	I was wearing my uniform.  But, we had the reception the next day.  And, I think it was the next day we headed for California—headed for San Francisco.
AT	That’s what I was talking about.
ST	Yeah.  We’re getting there.
JT	In the Oldsmobile?
GT	In that old Oldsmobile—
JT	With the fresh driveline.
GT	With the freshly repaired driveline.  [chuckles]
AT	Where did you have your accident?
GT	I think they must have used bailing wire to put the driveline back together.
JT	That’s why it was so quick.
GT	I don’t know how they did it, but it worked all right.
AT	But, where did you have your accident?
GT	Well, before we had the accident, we were coming into one of the towns—well, it was snowing all the way from Salt Lake, out across the desert, and we—uh, oh what’s the name of one of the little towns there, anyway—we were —came over the hill and were going down into the town and all at once heard this horrible sound, and the cover off the spare tire had slid down and was dragging on the ground.  It was making the horrible sound.  And, I managed to get that fixed, and we proceeded on down into the next little town, and all at once we had a flat tire.  Once of the rear tires went flat.  I got out and managed to hail a police car.  A police car came along.  He took me into the next town, where I bought a tire to replace the flat tire.
AT	And left your bride with the car.
GT	The spare tire was flat.—and left in the car with the motor running.  The policeman was really worried for fear she was going to be dead of carbon monoxide poisoning by the time we got back to the car, but she was just fine.
AT	[giggles]
GT	Somehow or another, we got the tire changed.
AT	Weren’t you a little worried?  [laughter]
GT	No.  I wasn’t the least bit worried.  [laughter]
JT	He’s a Navy man.  He knows it wouldn’t hurt.
ST	She didn’t want to leave her reception gifts.
GT	Well, they were all stacked in the cars.
AT	Now, I knew that.
JT	And, you might not have wanted to send the new wife with the cop.
AT	That’s true.
GT	But, somehow or other, we got the tire changed and that wasn’t easy because we had to clear snow away to get the jack under the flat.
JT	Have purchase so it wouldn’t slide.
AT	Doesn’t this sound like an ideal honeymoon?
ST	What an auspicious beginning to a marriage huh?
JT	It was kind of murky at best.
GT	Oh, we’re just getting started.
JT	Oh no!  [laughter]  Oh.  That was the fun time.  The flat tire was good times.
AT	Well, just wait and listen to this.
ST	Oh yeah, yeah.  This gets better.
GT	We got the tire changed and of course, there we were with no spare tire, but everything seemed to go along fine until I was too tired and I better let Gay drive.  She wanted to drive.  But, we were tooling down the road into Winnemucca—no, we—
AT	You had passed Winnemucca, hadn’t you?
GT	Yeah.  We stopped in Winnemucca and had breakfast.  And, left, and I decided to take a nap.  And, something woke me up and we were driving down the right-hand shoulder of the road, and there was one of the reflector posts right in front of the car.  I grabbed the wheel threw the car into a spin and it rolled over, did a 360 back onto its wheels.  It tore the roof off the car and scattered our belongings all over the desert.
AT	In the snow.
GT	Well, there was no snow.
AT	Oh, there was no snow there.  Yeah.
GT	We had left the snow behind.
JT	Tore the roof off?
GT	Yeah.
JT	And landed you on the wheels.,
GT	Yeah.   And landed us on the wheels.
ST	This is the days before seatbelts.
GT	Right.
ST	A long time ago.
GT	But, the interesting thing was that there I was behind the wheel of the car, and Gay was in the passenger seat.
JT	After the flip.
GT	The interesting thing about that was, was that oh, four years before that—or, yeah, it was four years before that, when I was in college, Uncle Virgil was giving me the chance to learn to drive his car, and it was in the winter time and we were coming out of Cache Valley going over to Tremonton, going up the hill out of Cache Valley, and we hit a slick spot and went into a spin, and I was driving, and Uncle Virg grabbed the wheel and threw it into a spin and we did a 360 and came back on the wheels of the Plymouth, and Uncle Virgil was under the wheel, driving the car.  [chuckles]  So, the accident out in Nevada was very similar to that one.  I’ve been in two rollovers—those two rollovers, in my driving career.
AT	That’s two more than I’ve been in.
JT	And, apparently, you were supposed to keep being here.
ST	Apparently.
GT	In both of them the driver of the car—
JT	Exchanged.
GT	Changed seats from the passenger to the driver.
AT	But, wasn’t Gay hurt?
GT	Uh, she had a sore shoulder, I think, and I had a sore neck or something, but beyond that, neither of us was hurt in the rollover.
ST	Not to be indelicate  or anything, but I was conceived a couple of weeks later, so—
JT	Indelicate, indelicate—
ST	So, it’s a miracle that I’m here.
AT	Too much information!  [laughter]  TMI, TMI.
ST	It’s a miracle that I’m here.
GT	Do you remember being conceived?
ST	I do, yeah.  [laughter]  I—
AT	TOO MUCH INFORMATION!  [Laughter]
ST	No, you were about to get too much information, but that’s as far as I’m going right there.
JT	Shame!
GT	I think that’s already had happened, as a matter of fact.
ST	I think I was a New Year’s Eve baby.
JT	Scott likes to always find when the birthday is and figure out what event is part of its time.
ST	Well, the first one born does that.  It’s something that the firstborn does.
JT	For the rest of their life?
ST	Well, they count back—“Were my parents married when I—”
JT	Yeah, but you do it with random other people too.
ST	Well, I know, but anybody that was born about the same time I was was a New Year’s Eve baby.
GT	Well, can I continue with the . . . [laughter]
AT	With what?
ST	Okay.  Let’s skip a couple of weeks now.
GT	I don’t know—the next week or so was very important.
JT	How did you get out?  Did the car start?
GT	No.  There was—
AT	[laughs]  You left them out in the desert.
JT	With all your gifts.
GT	Out in the middle of the desert with all our gifts scattered all over the place, and it happened to be just across the highway from a place called Brady’s Hot Springs.
ST	Oh.
GT	Which was a little motel type of place, that had springs.
JT	Did you get in to them?  I guess that would be nice.
GT	No, we didn’t to sample the hot springs, but Brady was there, and he allowed us to store our stuff that we gathered up out of the desert—
AT	All their wedding presents.
GT	In one of his rooms, and there was a man in his little restaurant there that listened to our story and volunteered to take us on into San Francisco.
JT	Oh, wow.
GT	So—
AT	So, you were in the back seat—
JT	Is that right?
GT	[chuckles]  No, I think that we both—
ST	That’s why we—see?  I tried to get you to skip the next couple of weeks but—
GT	We both had to sit in the front seat.
AT	Wow.  That must have been crowded.
ST	It’s just outside of Fernley, Nevada.
JT	They weren’t bucket seats
GT	Yeah.  It was a bench seat, and there weren’t any safety belts.
JT	So you sliiiiiiide.  [laughter]
AT	Go around the corner.  Hm-hmm.  I remember that.
ST	SOB corners.  Slide over, baby!
JT	Hey.  Whose story is this?
GT	We got a ride right to the front door of the Reilly residence on Grant Street in San Francisco.  Do you remember Grant Street?
AT	Uh-huh.
GT	In the—oh, what am I trying to say?  The district it was in—it still is there.  Anyway, we went to the door and I knocked on the door, and I was talking to Gay at the time, and I said, I hope they don’t mind if we stay here the night.  And the door came open and my step-cousin, Patsy, was standing there in the door with her boyfriend.  She said, “By all means!”  I just said, “I hope we can stay.”  [editor’s note:  Glen was talking to Gay, but Patsy responded to the comment].
AT	He told  you it got better.  [laughter]
GT	She put us to bed.  I don’t know what she did with her boyfriend, but it was about two o’clock in the morning.
JT	You guys had been driving for quite some time.
AT	Had a few accidents.
JT	Oh, goodness!
GT	And the next day—let’s see.  How did it go from there?
JT	Did you have to report for duty?
GT	I’m trying to remember just what the —when we got our car.  Somehow or other we got Patsy’s brother-in-law to sign—co-sign with us on a car.  We reported to Hunter’s Point.
AT	That car was expensive.  It cost you $250, didn’t it?
GT	Yeah.  I think so.  We didn’t pay cash for it.
JT	But it was newer.
GT	It was a ’42, I think.  Instead of a ’34 Oldsmobile, it was a ’42 Pontiac, I think, as I recall.  I don’t remember exactly.  But, we bought the car and went to Hunter’s Point, and got an apartment in a Quonset hut, and I went aboard the Boxer.
AT	And left her there all alone.
GT	And left her there alone in the Quonset hut.  I think I—if I remember right, I got to stay with her in the Quonset hut that night.  She wasn’t alone there very long.
AT	Was it a furnished Quonset hut?
GT	Oh, it was completely furnished, which was bedding—everything you needed.  It was more like a hotel room, than just an apartment.  We lived there for a week or so before the ship sailed across the Bay to Alameda.  In the meantime, I had introduced her to my buddy who was living in a Quonset hut with his wife there, and—well, let’s see.  I think he was living alone.  His wife hadn’t got there yet, because somehow or other, Gay got him to take her to a movie.  [chuckles]
JT	She has charm.
AT	Yes, she does.
JT	No.  Those were lonely days.  In fact, my mom was an Army wife, yep.
AT	My two sisters—their husbands were in the Marines.  They spent a lot of years.  My sister welded—or, riveted airplanes in Lockheed airplane factory.  As a matter of fact, with was Maude Rose.  She really was “Rosie the Riveter”.
ST	She really was Rosie the Riveter.
AT	Yes, she was.  I’ll be darned.  B52 bombers and P38 fighters.
JT	Awesome.
ST	Nice.
GT	The B24 bombers.
AT	Oh.  B24 bombers.  I’m sorry.
GT	Sorry.  I just couldn’t let you go along—
AT	Yeah.  Uh-huh.  What are ya?  A technical writer?  [laughter]
GT	B52’s didn’t come along for several years.
AT	I knew that.  They were in the second—no, they were in the—
ST	They were after Korea.
AT	After Korea.
JT	Did you get chapped about the movie—were you upset that Gay had gone to the movie with your buddy.
GT	Oh, I was.  Yeah.  It bothered me terribly.
ST	Well, here it is almost sixty years later.
JT	No.  I’m sorry about it, but I can only imagine—
AT	How he felt.
JT	Yeah.
AT	And then you were also felt bad because she kept going to beach parties with the missionaries?
GT	Yeah, that—well, that was after I sailed away on the Boxer.
AT	Oh, well, okay.
JT	With the missionaries?
GT	While I was in San Diego.
ST	She was on a stake mission.
AT	Yeah.
GT	No, that was—in fact, that was after I had gone to Korea, aboard the Boxer.
AT	She wasn’t used to being married yet.   And you have to say that your honeymoon night was hellacious.
GT	We got an apartment at Alameda on the second floor of one of the buildings there, in naval housing, and I think it was the third or fourth day or so before I got to go on leave to Alameda and be with her, and by then she had acquired a Great Dane dog.
AT	A Great Dane.  Not a little puppy.
GT	No, a BIG Great Dane.  [chuckles]  That kind of threw me.  [laughter]
ST	That’s an understatement there.
AT	He didn’t try to eat you, did he?  When you got there?
GT	[sigh]
AT	The dog?
GT	No, he was well-behaved.  One of the things that happened—she had acquired a set of aluminum ware.  What’s a very popular aluminum ware?
AT	Revere ware?
GT	It doesn’t seem like it was Revere ware.
JT	Faber?
GT	It might have been Revere ware.  I don’t known.
AT	With the copper bottom.
GT	It was copper bottom aluminum.
AT	It was Revere ware.
GT	And, the thing is, the guy convinced her it didn’t need any water.  It was waterless cookware, [chuckles] and we came home from church one day and there was smoke billowing out the window of the apartment, and the fire department was there and people were gathered around looking at the smoke.  But, there wasn’t any fire.  It was just the food in the pot.
ST	The burning food.
JT	In the waterless pot.
GT	The waterless cookware.  [chuckles]
AT	You live and learn.
ST	It wasn’t black beans was it?  [laughter]
JT	We’ve burned all kinds of beans here.
ST	We burn beans regularly.
GT	I don’t remember what kind of food it was, but it was pure charcoal.
JT	We don’t either with a crock pot, when I’m in charge.  That’s it, from now on.
ST	Now that you’re in charge.
JT	Of—oh, but—never mind.  [laughter]  We digress.  Did you have the Great Dane at the time?
AT	What was its name?
GT	I don’t remember what his name was.
ST	He wasn’t there when you came back.
GT	Uh . . . Let’s see now.  It’s hard for me to remember exactly what the sequence of events was.  I know I had to—It seems like I had to catch him—I must have taken the ship.  I must have been aboard the ship when it sailed to San Diego, and then I came back while she was still at Alameda.
AT	You hitchhiked, didn’t you?
GT	I hitchhiked back to Alameda—
AT	From San Diego.
GT	From San Diego.
AT	It’s only about 700-800 miles.
GT	No.  It’s not that far.
ST	It’s about six hundred.
AT	Is that all it is?  Okay.
JT	But you had your uniform on and that was helpful?
GT	Yeah.  I did a lot of hitchhiking when I was in the Navy.
AT	Then, you picked up any guy in a uniform.  You really did ‘cause they—
GT	That was my main means of transportation, especially when I was going to the electronics school.
ST	I have to—this is totally aside, but I have to tell you that got me in trouble in driver’s ed when I was in high school because the teacher asked, ‘Is it against the law to hitchhike?’ and my answer was, not if you’re in uniform.  [laughter]
JT	Oh, but you still passed, Tarbet., smartest kid.
ST	By the skin of my teeth.
GT	I can’t remember.  Somehow or other, I remember when I came back to Oakland the first time, after the ship was in San Diego, she had moved to an apartment in Oakland.  She had taken a job as a babysitter, a—
AT	Nanny?
GT	A nanny, and I—her apartment was in the upstairs of the house where the couple lived with the little boy.
JT	So, she moved into the same apartment building?
GT	Yeah.  With the family that had the boy that she was taking care of.
JT	And, how did you feel about that?
GT	Well, it was fine with me.  In the meantime, she had had a wreck with the car.
JT	The Pontiac.
GT	The Pontiac.  She got broadsided in San Francisco at an intersection, and totaled out—
JT	No!
GT	And the—it was after that that she got the job in Oakland as a babysitter.  But, when I came back, I hitchhiked back to Oakland and found the place where she was working, and to get to the apartment where she was you went to the back of the house and up an outside stairway to the apartment.  And I knocked on the door, and she saw me standing there, and she wouldn’t let me in.  [chuckles]
JT	For goodness sake.
GT	I had to pound and persuade her beg her to let me in.  She said she didn’t know who I was.  She wasn’t expecting me.
AT	Honey, what time do you have to be up and gone in the morning, honey?
ST	I’m fine.
AT	Are ya?  Okay.
JT	But we will ask you the same question.  It’s getting late.
ST	Yeah.  We don’t want to have you guys out on the highway at dark-thirty.
JT	It is already dark.  But, if you’re careful—
ST	We’re not going to get through the whole thing tonight, so this is probably as good a time as any to break.  But, we will return to it.
JT	But, no care, eventually did get to see the new apartment.  No?
GT	Yeah.
JT	Just so, not to leave anyone hanging.
GT	It took a while for her to let me in.  [chuckles]  But, she finally did, and of course, she was what—four or five months pregnant by then.
AT	I don’t think I’d have let you in either.  [laughter]
ST	‘You did this to me!’ [laughter]
JT	Pregnant hormones.
AT	‘You wrecked me, and now you really wrecked me!’  [laughter]  I’m just kidding.   We wouldn’t have had this delightful son if you hadn’t have.
ST	Well, I’m going to make a note here for the tape that the accident occurred across from Brady’s Hot Springs, which is halfway between Lovelock and Fernley, Nevada, near the southern end of Pyramid Lake.  It’s today right on I-80.
GT	Is it still there?
ST	It’s still there.  Yep.
JT	What’s it called?
ST/GT	Brady’s Hot Springs.
JT	Brady’s.  [end]